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One important agreement from a week of Banquets

Started by Mozart28 REPLIES91 VIEWS· 26 Sept 2026, 16:12
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Mozart
MozartCoach50,683 posts
26 Sept 2026, 16:12
#1
26 Sept 2026, 16:12#1

China and America agree that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. In a world where the UN has become less relevant, getting the only two major powers to agree to this ban is important in many ways.

Firstly it could be the start of other bilateral agreements that could actually be practical.

Secondly it clearly marks Iran as a rogue nation.

Thirdly it lowers the tension between the two super powers and given Iran is more important to China, represents a concession

Fourthly it establishes a precedent on nuclear proliferation.

The other things that were agreed were easier, but a start on AI is also important There was some human contact that can’t be underestimated. You had Iranian leaders talking directly on American media. The missing elephant not in the room was Vladimir.

sharkbok
Captain23,433 posts
sharkbok26 Sept 2026, 15:59

Trumpian logic. Build an argument based on a fallacy or a lie, then form conclusions based on it. (E.g. if 1 +1 = 3, then XYZ).

China have never made a statement explicitly saying Iran must never have a nuke. Trump also claimed that King Charles said Iran must never have a nuke. It is just putting words in people's mouths.

China repeatedly tells Trump and America that they are a nation in decline. Strong GDP, but the wealth is accumulating in fewer hands, and education is declining and with that, average IQ. China bullied Trump in front of the world; they had a plan for him and expected his sanctions.

By the way, China is helping Iran in the war, and so is Russia.

Other than Trump saying the meeting was fantastic as usual, there are no tangible outcomes.
China will continue to distil OpenAI and Anthropic to provide a low-cost way of training their AI systems, and then undercut American models on price. China will improve its hardware to catch up with Nvidia, and at that point could move past American models, as they can now do their own AI training.. Many American companies are already using open-source Chinese models with API access that is about 30 times cheaper.

America already set a precedent on nuclear proliferation when it bombed Japan. And more recently, with Trump threatening to destroy an entire civilisation (presumably with nukes).
America is the world's rogue nation. Even Russia has higher global poll ratings.

Rooinek
Captain19,018 posts
Rooinek26 Sept 2026, 17:13

@sharkbok Spot on.

Mozart
Coach50,683 posts
Mozart26 Sept 2026, 17:34

ROFL!

Mozart
MozartCoach50,683 posts
26 Sept 2026, 19:34
#2
26 Sept 2026, 19:34#2

Key Details of the Agreement
• Nuclear Stance: During high-level bilateral summits (including discussions reaffirmed during diplomatic exchanges), both Washington and Beijing aligned on the position that Iran must fulfill its commitments not to develop or acquire nuclear weapons.
• Strait of Hormuz & Waterways: Trump and Xi agreed that no country or entity should be permitted to charge transit tolls or block the free flow of energy and commerce through vital international waterways like the Strait of Hormuz.
• Chinese Commitments: President Trump stated that Xi assured him China would not supply military equipment to Iran, though questions remain regarding broader economic lifelines such as Chinese purchases of Iranian oil.
• Broader Context: The alignment represents a notable rhetorical agreement between the U.S. and China on Middle Eastern security and freedom of navigation, given their historically divergent stances on regional conflicts.

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Good stuff…..but the TDS set can’t deal with it. What else is new.

Mozart
MozartCoach50,683 posts
26 Sept 2026, 19:49
#3
26 Sept 2026, 19:49#3

Or perhaps you would prefer a non US source:

Urgent: Xi, Trump agree Iran should fulfill commitment not to develop nuclear weapons

Source: XinhuaEditor: huaxia2026-09-26 16:48:30

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Xi Jinping and U.S. President Donald Trump have agreed that Iran should fulfill its commitment not to develop nuclear weapons, according to a release made public after Xi wrapped up his state visit to the United States on Friday.
The two leaders also agreed that no country or institution shall charge transit fees for passage through international waterways.
During the three-day visit, Xi and Trump exchanged in-depth views on bilateral relations as well as major international and regional issues. ■

sharkbok
Captain23,433 posts
sharkbok26 Sept 2026, 19:38

That is simply re-reporting. Note the key phrase: "according to a release made public after Xi wrapped up his state visit to the United States on Friday."

Re-reporting treats the original publication itself as the event being covered. For example, suppose Newspaper A reports that a person has ten arms. Newspaper B then publishes an article stating that Newspaper A reported that the person has ten arms. Newspaper B is not claiming that the person has ten arms; it is reporting on Newspaper A's article as the event itself.

Given that China were the other country at the meeting, they are the best people to confirm what they actually agreed. Not reposting Trump's BS

Mozart
MozartCoach50,683 posts
26 Sept 2026, 23:31
#4
26 Sept 2026, 23:31#4

China and the United States reach eight deliverables and understandings

Source: XinhuaEditor: huaxia2026-09-26 21:51:15

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 (Xinhua) -- From Sept. 23 to 25 local time, Chinese President Xi Jinping paid a state visit to the United States. During the visit, the two heads of state had in-depth discussions on the constructive China-U.S. relationship of strategic stability and major international and regional issues, and reached eight deliverables and understandings:

  1. The two sides agree to build "a constructive China-U.S. relationship of strategic stability on the basis of respect, fairness, and reciprocity."
  2. China and the United States support each other in successfully hosting the APEC Economic Leaders' Meeting and the G20 Summit. The two heads of state intend to attend each other's meetings.
  3. The two heads of state agree that Iran should honor its commitment to not developing nuclear weapons, and no country or institution can be allowed to impose tolls on international waterways.
  4. The two heads of state recall that China and the U.S. were allies in World War II and fought side by side to win the war.
  5. The two heads of state recognize the positive role of the China-U.S. economic and trade consultation mechanism, endorse the outcomes of the consultations between the two economic and trade teams, including establishing and taking forward the Board of Trade and other mechanisms, reaching an arrangement for a 30-billion-U.S.-dollar reciprocal tariff reduction, and the extension of the outcomes of economic and trade consultations in Kuala Lumpur, and give instructions that they be implemented.
  6. The two sides note that cooperation between the counter-narcotics and law enforcement agencies of China and the U.S. has produced visible outcomes. Recently, the two sides working closely together have jointly cracked multiple cases involving New Psychoactive Substances (NPS) and precursor chemicals, and apprehended dozens of relevant criminal suspects in the two countries.
  7. The two sides agree on the establishment of the China-U.S. AI Dialogue to exchange views on risks and benefits related to AI. The next exchange will occur in November 2026. China and the U.S. also agree to establish a bilateral communication channel for AI incidents.
  8. The United States welcomes the arrival of two giant pandas, leased by China to Zoo Atlanta.
    In addition, the Chinese and U.S. militaries agree to conclude a memorandum of understanding on crisis communication and prevention as soon as possible, and continue their cooperation to search for the remains of missing U.S. servicemembers in China
Mozart
Coach50,683 posts
Mozart26 Sept 2026, 21:32

Time to concede Shark. Note the quotation marks….your TDS is short circuiting your brain……ROFL. But maybe your gimp will crawl back on this thread and help.

Mozart
MozartCoach50,683 posts
26 Sept 2026, 23:48
#5
26 Sept 2026, 23:48#5

Or perhaps you would like the Chinese Ministry release:

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China and the United States Reach Eight Deliverables and Understandings
Updated: SEPTEMBER 26, 2026 18:16

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From September 23 to 25 local time, President Xi Jinping paid a state visit to the United States. During the visit, the two heads of state had in-depth discussions on the constructive China-U.S. relationship of strategic stability and major international and regional issues, and reached eight deliverables and understandings:

  1. The two sides agree to build “a constructive China-U.S. relationship of strategic stability on the basis of respect, fairness, and reciprocity.”

  2. China and the United States support each other in successfully hosting the APEC Economic Leaders’ Meeting and the G20 Summit. The two heads of state intend to attend each other’s meetings.

  3. The two heads of state agree that Iran should honor its commitment to not developing nuclear weapons, and no country or institution can be allowed to impose tolls on international waterways. 

  4. The two heads of state recall that China and the U.S. were allies in World War II and fought side by side to win the war. 

  5. The two heads of state recognize the positive role of the China-U.S. economic and trade consultation mechanism, endorse the outcomes of the consultations between the two economic and trade teams, including establishing and taking forward the Board of Trade and other mechanisms, reaching an arrangement for a US$30 billion reciprocal tariff reduction, and the extension of the outcomes of economic and trade consultations in Kuala Lumpur, and give instructions that they be implemented. 

  6. The two sides note that cooperation between the counter-narcotics and law enforcement agencies of China and the U.S. has produced visible outcomes. Recently, the two sides working closely together have jointly cracked multiple cases involving New Psychoactive Substances (NPS) and precursor chemicals, and apprehended dozens of relevant criminal suspects in the two countries. 

  7. The two sides agree on the establishment of the China-U.S. AI Dialogue to exchange views on risks and benefits related to AI. The next exchange will occur in November 2026. China and the U.S. also agree to establish a bilateral communication channel for AI incidents.

  8. The United States welcomes the arrival of two giant pandas, leased by China to Zoo Atlanta.

In addition, the Chinese and U.S. militaries agree to conclude a memorandum of understanding on crisis communication and prevention as soon as possible, and continue their cooperation to search for the remains of missing U.S. servicemembers in China.

Mozart
MozartCoach50,683 posts
26 Sept 2026, 23:51
#6
26 Sept 2026, 23:51#6

Are there any other sources you’d like…. Perhaps the Guardian…..bwahahaha!

sharkbok
Captain23,433 posts
sharkbok27 Sept 2026, 01:29

Aside from 2 pandas, I don't see how America benefits. No one wants the Middle East to have nukes or the Strait to close, so that is a bit like agreeing that if you stand in the rain, you will get wet.

China will continue to support Iran against America. America would want China to help against Iran, in whatever capacity - but that will not happen.

This is drivel for media consumption; we are not privy to the real outcomes and agreements that will always be behind closed doors by the Chinese

bobbok
bobbokCaptain10,715 posts
26 Sept 2026, 23:54
#7
26 Sept 2026, 23:54#7
bobbok
bobbokCaptain10,715 posts
26 Sept 2026, 23:56
#8
26 Sept 2026, 23:56#8

Vaughan Tomlinson on billionaires and their kids – cartoon

Vaughan Tomlinson on billionaires and their kids – cartoon

The old adage ‘sharing is caring’ doesn’t always apply

the Guardian

Mozart
Coach50,683 posts
Mozart27 Sept 2026, 03:50

Just for you Hysteria:

90% of midterm elections since World War II have gone against the incumbent president's party in the U.S. House of Representatives.
Out of the 20 midterm elections held between 1946 and 2022, the president's party lost House seats in 18 of them.

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So now you are schooled again. If Trump was only concerned about the Mid Terms he would never have taken on the Iran nuclear issue. But instead he did the right thing, first destroying much of their capability and then getting China to join the US in an agreement that Iran will not have nuclear weapons.

But of course you would probably be delighted if Trump was to fail in Iran …..and your measure of failure is obviously losing in the Mid Terms….totally missing this is usual and highly likely given the effort to stop Iran, something the average voter doesn’t understand. You never even had the sense to check Mid Term history…..and so now you are plastered with egg yet again.

DE
Captain13,214 posts
Denny27 Sept 2026, 04:35

@Mozart
@Mozart If Trump was only concerned about the Mid Terms he would never have taken on the Iran nuclear issue
Wrong.
It’s been said many times and proven that he had no plan beyond bombing Iran, expecting it to be over in two weeks. Within days of starting the war, Trump declared victory, claiming he’d destroyed their military, navy, and leadership. The expectation of Iran backing down hasn’t come to pass, leaving America out of pocket by $45B, the global economy in turmoil, and long-standing allies cast aside.
You’re a delusional fella, just like your hero. Seven months have passed, and the so-called best military in the world has been humbled. Russia, China, and even North Korea are laughing at Trump. His cowboy approach has proven to be a complete failure. So, tell us, Moffie—what exactly is dripping down you and your hero’s face? I’m pretty sure it’s not egg.

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,630 posts
27 Sept 2026, 10:36
#9
27 Sept 2026, 10:36#9

You never even had the sense to check Mid Term history…..and so now you are plastered with egg yet again.

Oh the irony, because you never had the sense to check China's stance since the 2000's on Iran's obtaining a nuclear weapon which drum roll please has been consistently that Iran should not developer a nuclear weapon.

But of course you're never going to acknowledge that completely undermines the premise of your original post.

*But of course you would probably be delighted if Trump was to fail in Iran …..and your measure of failure is obviously losing in the Mid Terms….totally missing this is usual and highly likely given the effort to stop Iran, something the average voter doesn’t understand. *

And here we can see the groundwork being laid for the shifting of the blame. If Trump is forced after the midterms by congress to bring the war to an end, Trump and the Republicans will forever push the narrative that Iran was about to surrender but the democrats let them off the hook.

Yet another example of Trump and the MAGA-sphere never acknowledging their mistakes let alone accepting blame for them.

Rooinek
Captain19,018 posts
Rooinek27 Sept 2026, 09:35

"*And here we can see the groundwork being laid for the shifting of the blame. If Trump is forced after the midterms by congress to bring the war to an end, Trump and the Republicans will forever push the narrative that Iran was about to surrender but the democrats let them off the hook.

Yet another example of Trump and the MAGA-sphere never acknowledging their mistakes let alone accepting blame for them.*"

Spot on, Stav.

DE
Captain13,214 posts
Denny27 Sept 2026, 12:36

@Rooinek Moffie and Trump are never wrong and as you say will never admit their mistakes.

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