No off-Ramp Putin will sacrifice tens of Millions of Russians

This is becoming tiresome. Putin will drag this war on for years.
He knows that if he ends the war, it will be the end of his emperorship of Russia.

https://news.sky.com/video/ukraine-war-putin-will-sacrifice-10-or-20-million-russians-to-win-this-war-says-former-russian-diplomat-12726398

My recommendation is just to kill him. It is the fastest way to end the war, or perhaps the only way to end the war without Russia taking over Ukraine.

You are sick in the mind and totally non-thinking.   Putin never wanted tghe war - the USA wanted it.   

Putin never wanted tghe war - the USA wanted it..

Yeah Mike, Hitler never wanted the war, Poland started it.

Iraq never wanted the war Kuwait did….absolute loony tunes stuff.

Mozar t

Who concocted the story about the weapons of mass destruction the USA claimed Iraq had which the USA  and the UK used as a reason to attack Iraq in 2003 while they had NONE?   Who engineered the coup in Ukraine that let to the start of the Civil War  in that country in 2014?    Who undermined the Minsk agreement of 2015?   The USA did.   

Weird stuff - but the USA has been like a ship drifting around in the sea without a crew - a dangerous situation if ever there was one.   When a country like the USA have political leaders who are poor and corrupt - the world becomes a very unstable place.      

Duplication

FFS, use your brain. The Weapons debacle basically blew Bush’s presidency. Why would any President who has their marbles (unlike Joe Biden) go along with a WMD rationale, knowing it would be completely discredited weeks later.

Of course they thought there were WMD caches. They believed the Iraqi dissidents and the CIA analysis. Many probably still believe the WMD was removed.

Saddam fostered this belief by never really denying their existence in a credible way.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Nor is every major weapons agreement an excuse for corruption, except apparently in RSA.

Whether you like it or not - after 2 years of constant investigation by the UN there was no  proof that the WMD actually existed and we know by now Mueller is a Government Dummy not to be trusted in anything he investigated.   He always was part and parcel of the Government protection program in the USA and a Trump-hater to be exact.

As to Ukraine I have serious problems with the effective Government program insofar as the 2014 coup in Ukraine is concerned and the subsequent  support of the Kiev Government over the years.   That is what caused the non-implementation of the Minsk agreement of 2015.   If the USA Government supported that treaty they could have forced Ukraine to abide by the treaty - but they did not.   Before  and even after the Russian Invasion of Ukraine the German and French Governments tried to settle the situation by negotiation.   Biden responded by saying that the objective of the USA in Ukraine is to get Putin removed as President of Russia.   That was the final nail in the coffin of the Minsk agreement,   

There is a widespread feeling in the BRICS countries that the matter should have been settled by negotiation and not by war - but every effort by Turkey was also sabotaged by the present Biden Regime.   That is why the SA Minister of Foreign Affairs gave Blinken a lecture on the issue during his recent visit to SA.    The real answer is a peace settlement by negotiation - but the elephant in the room is the USA who regularly undermined such negotiations in the past.   

One can only hope that the Republicans gain control of the House and Senate and force the Biden Administration to work with the EU countries and NATO on the one side and the Russians on the other side to get a peace settlement in place.                    

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Mozart

Read Senator's Leahy book and ask a question - what was in "File 8" on the WMD in Iraq.     

Stop a person on the street in Sarajevo and ask them what they think about the war in Ukraine, and they’ll tell you they think that almost everything that happened in the war in Bosnia-Herzegovina is happening in Ukraine.

In April, we commemorated the 30th anniversary of the war against Bosnia-Herzegovina. We consider early April 1992 the moment a new era began: we have the before, during and after the catastrophe.

A month into the war in Ukraine I saw Ukrainians starting to use the phrase “before the war”. We went through everything that’s happening to them, but no one asks us about it or wants us to help.

War leads you to start looking at life and death with different eyes. Before our “smallish war” (an ironic phrase I use in literary works), I wanted to be a poet and wrote ultra-metaphorical and incomprehensible poems. After the war, I was determined to write as clearly and precisely as possible, especially about the events of the war. That is when I became a writer. The war was a giant catalyst in that process.

In a recent article for the Paris Review, Ilya Kaminsky quoted the Ukrainian poet Daryna Gladun on how events in Ukraine had changed her writing: “I set aside metaphors to speak about the war in clear words,” she said, “so that readers around the world will be struck by the cynicism, cruelty, and inevitability of the war that Russia brought to Ukraine.” A number of Sarajevo poets found the same thing happen during the siege of this city – the longest in the history of modern warfare. The famous Slovenian poet Tomaž Šalamun once said that he stopped writing poetry entirely during the war in Bosnia.

On 21 April 1992, the attack began on my home town in far western Bosnia. I was studying in Zagreb at the time but returned to Bosanska Krupa because I knew the war would soon begin; regular and irregular Serb formations had begun attacking towns in eastern Bosnia in early April.

You could see towns burning along the river Drina, the natural border between Bosnia-Herzegovina and Serbia, even though the country was still called the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. But not even the letter Y remained of Yugoslavia because Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina declared independence and seceded from it.

I was drinking beer and listening to music on the terrace of the Casablanca cafe in Bosanska Krupa when the attack came. I remember I was wearing Levi’s, a down jacket and Adidas trainers. It was a lovely day, but shortly after 6pm an artillery attack began. That’s when I realised what the expression “in mortal terror” means. Militants of the Serb Democratic party, aided by forces of the former Yugoslav People’s Army, shelled the city from the surrounding hills.

I neither volunteered nor was I conscripted. We were surrounded by enemy forces and there was no way out of the area (later called the Biha? pocket or Biha? district) unless you could fly. I took up arms because I was driven out of my flat, my street and my neighbourhood. My conscience demanded that I fight.

For 44 months I fought as a soldier and later as an officer leading a unit of 130 men in difficult combat operations at the very end of the war. Once I was badly wounded in the left foot and needed crutches to walk for six months. The pain was more or less bearable because I was young and my body had the strength of steel. We didn’t have time then to think about the transcorporeality of pain, nor about infatuation with our own.

I remember having to go to the toilet in a special wheelchair, which had a hole in the seat. But I recovered quickly, I returned to the unit and to the same duties I had before the injury, as a platoon commander of 30 men.

Chronological time stops ticking during war. We wore watches on our wrists but they showed a meaningless time. We were cut off from the rest of our country and the civilised world. We were five hours’ drive from Vienna, at least before the war. Now we lived as if we were at the end of the world, so time was irrelevant. A new time was ticking inside us – the one you count from the moment your idyllic, civic life collapses and you become a refugee. After the first moments of shock, we were quick to embrace the apocalyptic way of life.

Mike I am amazed at your perseverance in trying to educate halfbakes like poor old sharktwit and the increasing weird Dr Mozzzzz. I had hoped Mozzzzz would turn a corner after his dispicable calls fegarding Covid, the deadly vaccines and saying that Big Pharma weren't making big profits. Now we have Dr Mozzzz talking utter drivel about the Ukrainian war.

He refuses to admit that NATO reneged on their agreement with Russia not to expand eastwards. And it's no use arguing that NATO hasn't expanded eastwards as the whole world knows they have. The original 17 NATO members have grown to 27 nations and Ukraine borders Russia and I believe is only some 800 miles from Moscow.

Protestations  by Russia were ignored. Recently Henry Kissinger said a mistake was made by NATO expanding eastwards as this had threatened Russia's national security. You bet! 

So when the CIA and State Department managed to effect a coup  in 2014 and depose a duly elected pro Russian president what happened thereafter. 

Well over 40 USA bio labs doing gain of function research were established. No wonder the Russians were freaked out. Then missiles and arms were provided to Ukraine. 

Then an assault on the Russian population of East Ukraine was launched and troops from the Nazi Asov Battalion were used. Thousands of Russians were killed and these people appealed to Putin to save them. Persecution of the Russians included not allowing Russian to be taught in the schools. 

The installation of Zelensky, a cross dressing pervert who loves shiny black tights and stilleto heels, a former comedian, saw the gutter come to power. Currently all opposion parties are banned and so is the press. 

So what are Russian peace terms. Recognition of the 4 Russian populated regions and Crimea, also Russian populated, being recognized as part of Russia. There can be no problem with that. 

Further, Ukraine would be a neutral state. Again there can be no problem with that. 

But Biden and his Globalist handlers along with Globalist deceiver Boris Johnston didn't want peace. Not when the object of the exercise was really about the WEF Great Reset whereby there must be an economic collapse followed by Build Back Better which essentially is about ensuring that by 2030 you will own nothing and be happy. Further you would have a didgital ID linked to your vaccination status,  your social credit score and your bank account. Misbehave and you are cancelled. Includes of course total surveillance. Ie the Chinese model 

However it is not all going the way the Globalists hoped. Gazprom the Russian Gas Giant has made the biggest profits in its history and declared their biggest ever dividend.. I saw an article listing the top performing currencies with the Ruble at number 1.

But it gets worse for the West. Instead of Russia being isolated the, West is being isolated. Russia, China India and a host of countries are joining BRICS, SCO etc. Saudi Arabia has moved into their orbit. 

They are forming their own international currency to replace SWIFT

In Europe massive protests are happening all over the place. The economies of EU nations and Britain are faltering. 

So now we have Russia and US talking. We have Macron calling for dialogue and it is very clear that Russia with very little effort is winning. 

The Globalist hate Russia as they have not bent the knee. Their attempts to take down Putin have placed them in jeopardy with their own populations who now are so much more aware of the schemes of THE WEF. THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG. 

IT IS POSSIBLE THIS WAR MIGHT END SOONER THAN YOU THINK. 

The GOP will take the House and have said they will not give Zelensky a blank CHEQUE. If condions worsen much more, which they will if the war continues, these Globalist will face a People's revolution. 

Another layer of anger the People are expressing relates to the Plandemic and lockdowns and the economic devastation that they caused with no benefits. People are furious. Go and look at the comments section of the Daily Mail. 

Mike you are dealing with a mong in sharktwit and I really don't know what with Moz. I hate to call  him a liar but he is too smart not be making such stupid comments. 

This war was in the making long before Russia marched into the Ukraine. And the culprits are the Globalists of Brussels and the US. 

ALL THIS CHAOS would NEVER HAVE HAPPENED BUT FOR MASSIVE ELECTION FRAUD THAT SAW A GLOBALIST PUPPET INSTALLED IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE HOUSE AND SENATE LOST.

Bye the way you probably don't know Rishi Sunak is a WEF Globalist puppet. Bad egg. Poor Britain. The people are beside themselves as to what is happening to their country. 

Mike unless you get to understand the  Globalists of the WEF and their agenda will never fully understand what is going on. You will still think in terms of GOP versus Democrats but won't see the big picture clearly. 

Bosnia bordering  the Soviet Union?    There used to be two countries between the then Yugoslavia  - of which Bosnia was part - and he Soviet Union.   Have you got any idea  where countries in Europe are,   Anyway there is still no country called Bosnia in Europe - the real name is Bosnia-Hertzegovina - which is still fu rther from where the USSR used to be.  You know what the USSR stood for?

That is what make me so worried about the movement to change the  USA to a similar USSR in North America.          

About sacrificing millions... that is how the Soviet Union fought the Axis powers. Order no. 270 issued by Stalin... No surrender.

They had another back line of riflemen which shot deserters. 

The Russians killed more Russians than Germany in WW11 .

Thats what you get when a dictator takes power

Well the did pay the "butchers bill"  in defeating Nazi Germany. 95 % of military casualties in the three powers of the Grand Alliance. 

Yep

And putin is following in his footsteps, Russians lives mean sweet FA to him just like Stalin.

Slaves to the slaughter without one bit of compassion.

One day the Russian people will wake up to the contempt those in power have for them.

Putin says the USA should never have nuclear bombed Japan.
What about all those innocent lives that were lost?

Covered this before, the expected losses were estimated between 250,000  to 1 milliom lives and that was just om the Allies side. The loss of Japanese civilians would have been vastly greater,

Same can't be said in the current situation.

Those figures include Russian lives as they agreed to assist in the final battle of Japan, Shows putin is a stupid cunt as well as a murderous hypocritical cunt.

But go on supporting him you commie its your choice.

Commie's dumb mike, Beenshit and you make a perfect menage a trois  of dumb fucks

The Russians had already lost 5 million fighting men as I mentioned.
for every American life 8 Russians died in the 2nd World War.

So you're saying innocent lives are OK in war?
Are you and your Nato apologists OK with just dropping nuclear bombs providing the figures are in your favour?
W hat if Putin used the same logic,would he be wrong?

Why did they drop the second one? The world was a different place back then...lets pray Nagasaki stays the last...the lesser of two evils is a deliberate lie...evil is evil...no such thing as lesser evil...marketing...

"What if Putin used the same logic,would he be wrong?"

^^^^^^

THIS!!

America will always carry the stigma of being the first country to use a nuclear bomb in war.
That does not justify Putin using a nuke against Ukraine. 

Not at all, if Japan had surrendered instead of those in power thinking their people's lives weren't worth shit the bombs would have never been dropped. The deaths in Japan were solely on the hands of those in power who refused to give up their power at the cost of their people.

Remind you of someone? (putin if you can't see the obvious)

You seem to forget that Both Japan and Putins Russia are the aggressors not those that are defending themselves from attack

Okay….so the Nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It’s a fair question whether it was moral to drop the bombs. The numbers are fairly clear, dropping the bombs probably saved lives vs a full scale conventional invasion.

They were horrific events. But there were many such events happening at the time, including the fire bombing of Dresden. It was a time of carnage on both sides. 

For American leadership the picture was of hundreds of thousands of American boys dying in a war they didn’t start and a brutal invasion needed to displace a fanatical regime. Could any leader make those sacrifices when an alternative was available.

So why not simply explode a warning bomb in a sparse area. That’s where another complexity arises. They had enough enriched uranium for 2 bombs. If the Japanese rejected the demonstration bomb, who knows if the second bomb would be successfully delivered.

It was a horrible decision to make…not a bomb dropped for vengeance as Putin hints, but dropped to end the war.

On balance I still favor the demonstration bomb route, but there were compelling reasons to do the unthinkable. And horrible as the whole thing was for women, for children, for animals….it did make nuclear weapons unacceptable and perhaps prevented an all out nuclear war.

So here we have an argument on nuclear warfare and making out Putin would use a nuclear bomb against his own people - both are actually idiotic.    There are some real problems in the argument too - but in essence both sides are wrong.   In any event there is one warning that the USA agreed to at the time and that was to keep the Emperor Hirohito in power in Japan - that saved the peace in Japan and ended up n a lasting alliance between Japan and the west.

As to Europe the Allies allowed the then USSR to occupy the whole of Eastern Europe - which soon let to the Cold War lasting until 1991.    Instead after the fall of Communism in Rusia of going into an alliance road with Russia, the USA politicians for internal political purposes did the exact opposite.   There were ample opportunities to get Russia as a partner to the West - instead it was regarded as a threat to the USA.   

One has to only go back to the 2016 election in the USA to realize how poisoned the Russia issue became in the USA - but even before that the USA organized a coup in the Ukraine aimed at the pro-Russian President elected in 2013.    However, the propaganda became worse in the 2016 election when the Democrats concocted the lies as to collusion between Trump and Putin and used it for political purposes and the propaganda level in the media  went to ballistic missile level.    

Despite the sick propaganda in the US media there were actual relative stability in Europe and no threats to it after the Yugoslav disaster was ended.   The problems in Ukraine started in 2012 when US politicians became involved in Ukraine corruption on a major scale.   The leaders most involved in Ukraine corruption - often with Russian partners as well - inevitably had political consequences.    Amongst the most prominent corrupt politicians were Clinton, Biden, Pelosi and Schiff - but they also in some cases had Republican partners involved.    A partnership in corruption in Ukraine was for example between Manafort (the Trump campaign manager) and Podesta (the Clinton campaign manager) in 2012 became partners in  Ukraine corruption.  Manafort was to be charged for a corrupt relationship with Russia based on the Mueller report - but even though Podesta was implicated - he never was charged.  Yet it was Podesta that got 75 000 shares in a Russian Company with links to the Kremlin - which he passed on to a Vermont company owned by his daughter- he was never charged with anything.    In the end Manafort was not charged with corruption in Ukraine - but for tax evasion in the USA.    However - in media propaganda the story was entirely different.

So what is the latest development in Europe.    The Ukraine War has sent the European community members into recession with inflation reaching high levels.   Hundreds of thousands of people are demonstrating against Governments in cities throughout Western Europe.   An example is the fact that the Governing parties lost elections in Sweden and Italy already and other Governments are in danger of falling too.   

In the USA the election is just 12 days away and the Governing Democratic Party is in disarray, with victory in the elections will hand the Republicans control of the House and Senate and could effectively mean the end of the Biden Presidency.   Biden would essentially become a lame duck President or based on his mental inabilities be pushed out altogether.   

It is essential to all Governments that the issue of Ukraine be settled by negotiations and in Europe the negotiating is likely to be centered around Turkey being responsible for peace negotiations.    Can it work - sure it can - but the issue will be decided on what happened in the mid-term USA elections.    That makes the next 12 days a very serious threat to world peace - the Democrats are very dangerous when it comes to warmongering and especially corruption.   

The only route open to everybody is peace negotiations to end the conflict in Ukraine and leaving the negotiations to proceed with Turkey as leading the effort to find a peaceful settlement in Ukraine.   That should end the impasse at present on the issue and save the EU economies from taking a disastrous dive.                                                          

"... including the fire bombing of Dresden."

Indeed, war is horrible. 

Dresden effectively was the hospital city where German War wounded were treated,   The bombing caused the death of hundreds and thousands of civilians and the hospitals were wiped out completely.

War is horrible and an end of it is always a desired objective.    When the lefties become warmongers it is always di fficult to conduct peace negotiations..        

The bombing caused the death of hundreds and thousands of civilians and the hospitals were wiped out completely.

Not to downplay what happened but the number killed was 25,000. Goebbels added on an extra 0 to the causality figures and this propaganda figure was perpetuated by Holocaust denier David Irving over the years.

"...but the number killed was 25,000.."

Anf you really believe that?

This was left of where 1.2 M people lived when the firebombed it. The Germans didn't expect it to be attacked, so there were very little bomb shelters.

 SLAUGHTERHOUSE-FIVE

And you really believe that?

Yes and that number is widely accepted.

A 2010 report conducted by Dresden City Council came to that conclusion along with other investigations into the bombing.

I can link to the report but its in German.

Also the picture you posted was of Tokyo.

OK, my bad.... I Googled for a photo of Dresden .... Survivors and people who helped with the clean-up afterwards seems to think the casualties were much higher...even similar to Hiroshima...but history is written by the victors...I've seen some fact twisting first hand...but you go on believing what is comfortable... war is a terrible thing...it's good to know the good guys can do no wrong, but when they do, the consequences are minimal...and the good guys always win...just look at the world we live in!

It's getting hard to know the truth from the BS.

I always thought the Dresden death toll was 80k to 100k.

Mostly civilians do I agree with civilians being killed, not at all but under the circumstances I can see why they did it. Over 40k died during during the blitz.

My business partners fathers family was killed in the blitz and  his father never had a good thing to say about Germans and I understand where he was coming from

"It's getting hard to know the truth from the BS. fck, we can't even believe our eyes no more....crazy world

I always thought the Dresden death toll was 80k to 100k...much closer to the truth, but it was probably even more...easy lie to tell when there weren't enough survivors to call the BS...I tend to go with the gut feeling of the survivors before I believe the official narrative. 

" I can see why they did it. "

I can't...there was no strategic necessity...it was either revenge or to shock the Nazis ito submission...at a terrible cost...there were 600K plus refugees and prisoners of war in Dresden at the time...there's no sugar counting this, even though it happened 77 years ago...IMO this was also a war crime, but it was covered up for many years.

I can understand  where they were coming from.

As a family man there is nothing I would not do to extract revenge.

Any one hurt my kids and I would be out for blood.

Doesn't make it right, nor excuse the slaughter of innocents.