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The Dud Allende…a man for more seasons

Started by Mozart17 REPLIES76 VIEWS· 14 Sept 2026, 19:05
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Mozart
MozartCoach50,531 posts
14 Sept 2026, 19:05
#1
14 Sept 2026, 19:05#1

We all saw a lift in Dud in the 3rd and 4th tests. He seemed more engaged, clearer in his mission. It shows up in the stats….he passed 9 times in test 3 and 7 times in test 4…..vs only 7 times in tests 1 and 2 combined. He carried 26 times vs 14 times in tests 1 and 2. Defenders beaten were even at 2 in all the tests, except for 3 in test 1.

In aggregate he carried 40 times to beat 9 defenders….fairly typical mediocre Dud numbers. He did, however, score two tries. Seemingly more aware that scoring is actually the objective. He gained 125 meters at 3 meters a carry. Again fairly typical Dud numbers. However, in 4 tests he was one of the few Boks who never made one clean break.

Defensively he made 45 tackles missing 11, tackling at a below team average 80%. He also made zero dominant tackles. Which is surprising given his hype about being a physical tackler. Even Morne van der Bergh made a dominant tackle.

Dud is a programmed player as you can see his passing numbers picking up in the 3rd and 4 tests, which was probably coaching. Oddly he never kicked the ball in the series….remember when he was programmed to grubber everything.

Actually as I said at the time his 3rd and 4th tests were among the best he has played in a Bok jersey. Which shows he isn’t far off peak Dud Allende. But how does a Bok center run 40 times and not make a clean break.! He is so programmed to take contact, vs seeking space.

And his defensive stats never capture the many times he misreads the situation and doesn’t move to the right spot. No doubt those pundits who are suspicious of stats will endorse that gap in a purely statistical view at the current state of rugby analysis. We also can’t quantify what we are missing on attack without a creative inside center, how much more our wings can be given the ball off structured play.

So I expect we will see him back at the WC, the man is made of tungsten and never gets hurt, apparently he doesn’t age either

Deus Ex Lemur
Deus Ex LemurPro2,486 posts
14 Sept 2026, 19:28
#2
14 Sept 2026, 19:28#2

To be quite frank, all I saw was some lateral passing and running into people. Not a great deal else. The bar has been set so low over the past eleven years that catching a rugby ball and passing it a few metres to another slow-moving biped is apparently now evidence of midfield excellence.

Compare that with Esterhuizen. In the blink of an eye he absorbed two defenders and, at considerable speed, produced a deft no-look offload that found its target. There was purpose to the involvement: commit defenders, manipulate the space and put somebody else into it. One man was playing flank and demonstrated the instincts of a centre; the other was occupying centre and largely demonstrated the instincts of a flank.

Or perhaps I've missed another of Rassie's great tactical revolutions: the invention of the inside plank and outside plank — a quasi-forward midfield pairing designed for low-powered tractoring, lateral distribution and the occasional fluttering pass.

De Allende's performance actually reminded me considerably of his 2018 end-of-year Test against England: plenty of accumulation without much consequence. Carries, touches and involvement gradually pile up on the stat sheet, creating the impression that an enormous amount has happened. But strip away the volume and ask what those involvements actually created — which defenders were manipulated, which line breaks were generated, which teammates were put into space — and suddenly there is rather less to admire.

That's always been the distinction for me. Involvement is not the same thing as influence.

Plum
Captain22,055 posts
Plum15 Sept 2026, 07:20

@Deus Ex Lemur yeah, it's basically a batter with a 25 average suddenly hitting a century and then following that up with a solid 70.

The chances are not that he suddenly becomes a 50+ average batter but rather that he returns to what has been the norm for a decade.

So while we can be happy for him, and also grateful that he did better than he normally does, the macro needle will take a lot more to be moved.

CL
Coach57,824 posts
clevermike15 Sept 2026, 14:06

I di not even bother to read tjhe BS above since i.t sh ould be read as SuprBS Su,preme based on fuck All.

KI
kingcornPro3,861 posts
15 Sept 2026, 10:48
#3
15 Sept 2026, 10:48#3

How does Jodie Barrat numbers look in comparison?

Deus Ex Lemur
Pro2,486 posts
Deus Ex Lemur15 Sept 2026, 09:03

Where can I find player stats? I see that ESPN no longer provides them.

BE
Captain40,395 posts
Beeno115 Sept 2026, 09:10

@Deus Ex Lemur not surprising Daft Deus. You can't go on providing crappy stats and expect to survive by only having nutters like the very DUD Mozzie supporting you. Bwahahahahahahaha. Truly hilarious!

BE
Beeno1Captain40,395 posts
15 Sept 2026, 11:07
#4
15 Sept 2026, 11:07#4

Now now King corn don't ask questions just accept these three Mamparas having a hilarious time trashing Allende. Started as it so often is by the very DUD Mozzietard and his farcical use of stats and echoed by his little echoes Dast Deus and Plumster. Sad to see Plumpster sinking into the DUD Mozzietard quagmire of confusion, deceiot and lunacy
Saw a rating by a You Tube who gave Allende the highest rating of any Bok in the 4th test.
These three Mamparas have no idea how unhinged they are and how far they have slipped from reality. Talk about a little echo chamber reinforcing facial daft views. Hahahahahahahahaha.

Mozart
Coach50,531 posts
Mozart15 Sept 2026, 13:01

You saw a rating by ‘a you Tube’…..that’s your proof. Hahaha!

Deus Ex Lemur
Pro2,486 posts
Deus Ex Lemur15 Sept 2026, 17:27

Beeno, you've just accused three people who are actually disagreeing and discussing evidence of inhabiting an echo chamber, before presenting “I saw a YouTuber who agrees with me” as your supporting evidence.

There are cream pies, and then there is climbing voluntarily into the cannon. 😂

DbDraad
DbDraadCaptain26,964 posts
15 Sept 2026, 16:17
#5
15 Sept 2026, 16:17#5

...101 tests and counting during the best Bok era in history...good performances recently vs the second best team in the world...consistent performer who almost never gets injured... regularly praised by his peers and almost all pundits...when is the penny going to drop?

Plum
Captain22,055 posts
Plum15 Sept 2026, 15:27

Also, he's from WP.

Which might be the most important factor of them all.

Deus Ex Lemur
Pro2,486 posts
Deus Ex Lemur15 Sept 2026, 17:24

18 carries over the weekend. Where did he earn an 8 rating? 11 tackles. Where did he earn an 8 rating? The floor is yours.

Mozart
MozartCoach50,531 posts
15 Sept 2026, 18:41
#6
15 Sept 2026, 18:41#6

40 carries….9 defenders beaten, no clean breaks. There are no Pennie’s left to drop. Let’s get a real center who doesn’t run like a blindside flank. Hundred frustrating tests are enough

Deus Ex Lemur
Pro2,486 posts
Deus Ex Lemur15 Sept 2026, 17:26

I'd be interested to see what those nine defenders beaten actually looked like. From the video analysis I've done in the past, that statistic doesn't always represent what people imagine it does. A defender technically beaten on a stat sheet is not necessarily a defender comprehensively beaten in any meaningful attacking sense. Where do these stats come from anyway?

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,374 posts
15 Sept 2026, 19:57
#7
15 Sept 2026, 19:57#7

We saw in the last 2 tests, especially in the 2nd halves, that Delande can:

  1. Run lines that draw defenders
  2. Allow his outside players to run off him
  3. Make decent mid-length passes.
  4. Ultimately get his backline running.

On his day, Delande is the complete centre. It is not clear why he sometimes seems to be so one-dimensional. On his worst day, he is a crash ball that opposition double-tackles, which often results in slow possession in phase play.

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