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Started by Plum49 REPLIES236 VIEWS· 09 Sept 2026, 17:42
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Plum
PlumCaptain22,055 posts
09 Sept 2026, 17:42
#1
09 Sept 2026, 17:42#1

As requested...

CL
Coach57,824 posts
clevermike10 Sept 2026, 14:11

Mo/zart was lying about what happened as to what happened in the Nonu incident. I do not apollogize to a habitual liar

Mozart
Coach50,531 posts
Mozart12 Sept 2026, 00:42

@DbDraad ….he didn’t win two world cups, he was a below average contributor in a team that won the WCs. Let’s be honest, enough with the guilt trips. The incident where he literally took us out of the WC in 2015 is right before your eyes on this thread….watch it.

Deus Ex Lemur
Deus Ex LemurPro2,486 posts
09 Sept 2026, 21:18
#2
09 Sept 2026, 21:18#2

It amazes me how little personal accountability there has been throughout Damian's career. Once the pundits and media take a liking to a player, it sometimes feels as though he's born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I can scarcely remember De Allende being individually called to account for some of his major failures, several of which have occurred at absolutely critical moments.

Plum
PlumCaptain22,055 posts
10 Sept 2026, 14:13
#3
10 Sept 2026, 14:13#3

And here is DDA versus Nonu...

Deus Ex Lemur
Pro2,486 posts
Deus Ex Lemur12 Sept 2026, 08:59

@DbDraad This is a trend, not an isolated incident. Even Eben gets knocked backwards occasionally — it happened last weekend. Rugby is rugby; things happen. But when a player consistently exhibits the same weaknesses year after year, eventually you have to stop dismissing each example as an aberration.

Damian's defensive record has troubled me from the beginning. Earlier in his career there was the Wallaby Test in which three tries came directly through his defensive failures, with a fourth only narrowly prevented by Lambie of all people. He followed that with similarly meagre defensive showings against New Zealand, Samoa and Wales. These weren't isolated moments scattered randomly across a career; the same weaknesses kept resurfacing.

And they continued. In 2018 he was run over for a try against England. Then consider the 2019 World Cup final: on two occasions England broke through Damian's channel and Frans Steyn had to shut down the danger behind him. That is precisely the sort of thing that tends to disappear from the collective memory once the result is safely in the record books.

What genuinely baffles me is the almost complete absence of scrutiny from pundits and the rugby media. I cannot remember Damian ever being seriously called to account for what is now a very long record of costly defensive failures.

Compare that with the treatment handed out to Morné Steyn, John Smit, Schalk Burger, Percy Montgomery and even Pollard — who was being booed for Lambie against Argentina in 2015. Bok supporters have hardly been reluctant to turn on celebrated players when performances warranted criticism.

Yet somehow Damian has escaped virtually Scot-free and appears destined to be remembered as an all-time Bok great. Based on what, exactly? Longevity? Caps? Being present in successful teams? Those things are not the same as individual greatness.

If we're going to call somebody an all-time great, then at some point the individual's actual performances have to enter the conversation.

DbDraad
Captain26,964 posts
DbDraad12 Sept 2026, 12:19

@kingcorn ...ja Korn, that's what I saw too, but nooo!!!

Plum
PlumCaptain22,055 posts
10 Sept 2026, 16:20
#4
10 Sept 2026, 16:20#4

Who wants bet money the Mike wont come back to this thread?

Plum
PlumCaptain22,055 posts
11 Sept 2026, 07:11
#5
11 Sept 2026, 07:11#5

Mike?

Plum
PlumCaptain22,055 posts
11 Sept 2026, 08:40
#6
11 Sept 2026, 08:40#6

Gonna be bumping this until Mike comes back to this thread and apologises.

Mozart
Coach50,531 posts
Mozart11 Sept 2026, 13:34

Brilliant series on Pablo Escobar, Xavi…..watch it if you haven’t already.

bobbok
Captain10,628 posts
bobbok11 Sept 2026, 20:46

klop

Plum
PlumCaptain22,055 posts
11 Sept 2026, 10:34
#7
11 Sept 2026, 10:34#7

Mike...where are you...?

KI
Pro3,861 posts
kingcorn11 Sept 2026, 14:34

Mike is 85, give the ou toppie a break

DbDraad
Captain26,964 posts
DbDraad12 Sept 2026, 01:02

@kingcorn ... thanks for the empathy...it goes a long way...much further than proving a silly point.

Plum
PlumCaptain22,055 posts
11 Sept 2026, 14:33
#8
11 Sept 2026, 14:33#8

Bumpity bumpity bump bump bump...

Michael, where for art though?

Mozart
MozartCoach50,531 posts
11 Sept 2026, 15:18
#9
11 Sept 2026, 15:18#9

Actually I’ll apologize for Mike…..he’s very sorry he called you dishonest and admits Dud Allende took us out of WC 2015 when we were in the lead deep into the second half.

We have waited 11 years for definitive proof, great work Plum.

DbDraad
Captain26,964 posts
DbDraad12 Sept 2026, 01:07

Your hero Mayfield had a hand in that loss too...the whole team lost on that day...with a very small margin...against probably the best Allblacks team ever...but fine, let's pin it on one of our pet hates...11 years...petty AF...

Deus Ex Lemur
Pro2,486 posts
Deus Ex Lemur12 Sept 2026, 01:14

@DbDraad Two colossal mistakes that directly impacted the result. The saddest part is that their value to the campaign was predictable long before the tournament started.

Plum
PlumCaptain22,055 posts
11 Sept 2026, 23:30
#10
11 Sept 2026, 23:30#10

I mean, how is one 85, go on a thread, accuse someone of lying, be instantly proven wrong, and then not be man enough to simply own up.

How long does it take to grow up? A hundred years perhaps?

bobbok
Captain10,628 posts
bobbok12 Sept 2026, 08:46

Sumfink 'appened when he did vacation in the Kremlin, dats for sure.

DbDraad
Captain26,964 posts
DbDraad12 Sept 2026, 11:57

@Plum ...he sees it differently, remember it differently and he's to stubborn to reassess his position...

Mozart
MozartCoach50,531 posts
12 Sept 2026, 16:15
#11
12 Sept 2026, 16:15#11

Okay look at Plum’s reconstruction as Nonu gets the ball. Barrett is wide open on the left touchline. If you watch the video you will see Pollard is on Carter. You will also see as Pollard gets to Carter, Dud is two steps behind….for no reason. There were several phases before for him to get aligned to tackle his man Nonu

Mistake number 1

Nonu runs a diagonal towards the corner flag, but Allende doesn’t accelerate to get to him….he is at loping speed

Mistake number 2

When Dud still has a chance to make the tackle, Nonu stands him up with a hesitation and then continues running

Mistake number 3

He finally reaches Nonu at the 5 m line, but too late, by the time Allende tackles the ball is already out of Nonu’s hands on it’s way to Barrett

…….

JP is aware of Barrett but as Nonu accelerates and Dud isn’t closing him off, he has to preserve the option to tackle Nonu. You can see him come inside on Plums reconstruction….he thought Dud wasn’t going to get there. And the truth is he probably wasn’t if Nonu hadn’t passed and continued at full speed he could probably have ridden Dud’s tackle to the line.

Nonu was allowed to run about 20 metres on the diagonal inside the Bok 22 because Dud Allende didn’t position himself properly…came slowly off the line leaving huge space…and then never went flat out to close him down. And the Boks lose the semi.

…….

The huge mistake here was Dud positioned inside Nonu and back of the defensive line….the second big mistake was coming slowly off the line…..it was a simple 3 on 3 situation…..Pollard closed off Carter, if Allende closed off Nonu, JP had time to cover Barrett on the touchline. Dud’s hesitation to close off his man in a side on situation is eerily similar to his hesitation to close off Mo’unga in 23.

Deus Ex Lemur
Pro2,486 posts
Deus Ex Lemur12 Sept 2026, 19:32

@Rooinek What has he been integral to? Show me. Damian is a player who has been well documented here.

Rooinek
Captain18,826 posts
Rooinek12 Sept 2026, 19:57

@Doos XL, I don't think you're grasping the point.

You may not like DDA - I don't rate him particularly - and you may not like Rassie's game plan - again, I don't either - but to suggest that DDA isn't an integral part of Rassie's system is . . . well, there's no other word for it . . . stupid.

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