Wray Resigned - Great news the first of many skunks to go

If Wray was honest and didn't turn the FBI into a criminal protection agency he would not have to resign - but could have ended his term with honour. He lied repeatedly to the House and Senate when questioned or avoid answering by claiming that a certain issue was being investigted when he knew their were no invesigation done. He was the FBI head when the FIS court found the FBI illegally spied on 278 000 people and it was under his wach that the FBI met with media and press the media and internet platforms to censor news that would have put the Biden Regime in a bad light - which was against the USA Constitution.

Let me add that when Smith laid charges in the Florida Court the judge found that there were two fake photos of what they claimed were taken at Trump's home - but took elsewhere and spread to the media, the Judge found to be fakes, she was not amused, When she ordered that all the documents taken be submitted to the court within 14 days - the Judge threatened that if the documents were not provided within 14 days Smith and Wray would face charges of contempt of Court. The FBI took 32 boxes of documents from Trump's home, but the FBI deliverd only 21 boxes and documents from the 21 boxes were missing as well. The Judge had enough of undermining of court and threw the case out. Obviously Wray's belief was that he was above the law.

What happened at Mar-a-Lago disturbed many Americans. It was heavy handed and unnecessary. In the end that one thing ensured he wasn’t going to stay on. 

What happened at Mar-a-Lago disturbed many Americans. It was heavy handed and unnecessary. In the end that one thing ensured he wasn’t going to stay on.

Well it disturbed most Trump supporters and Republicans but a survey conducted at the time found the majority of American's supported the raid on Mar-a-Lago.

Yeah, apparently it was 52%

Interestingly, 86% of democrats supported the raid, whilst only 15% of republicans did

It sent a clear message though, which I believe reverberated straight through to Trump's election win

Yeah, apparently it was 52%

Interestingly, 86% of democrats supported the raid, whilst only 15% of republicans did

Well 51% supported the raid as compared to 27% who disapproved of the raid, while another 22% neither supported nor opposed the raid.

Independents where at 47% support for the raid and 24% opposed to the raid.

It sent a clear message though, which I believe reverberated straight through to Trump's election win

Its very hard to know but personally I don't think it had much if any effect on the election.

I will caveat that by saying, I've just seen the one survey and I wouldn't call one survey conclusive, its just all I've seen. 

Its a partisan issue, if your Republican or right leaning you tend to be against the raid, and a democrat or left leaning you tend to be supportive of it . 

The majority of the public were  fed 2 fake phoos that the FBI fed to th medi as poof of Trumps guil and which they claimed was th e reason for the raid.   When the C ourt found the FBI lied to the press and aferwards found that  Smith and the FBI was undermining the court case --  the people  found out of he despicable conduct of the FBI.    In the end the Judge threw out the case because of the despicable cnduct of the FBI after she threatened she would charge both Smith and Wray with undeining he court and send them to jail.

You should check facts first before coming up with fake deductions. prmote by the emdia.   You can fool a lot of people in the short term - but not all the people all the time.

Wray is in de shit for lying under oath repeatedly in Senate and House hearings.   Although cases were  submitted to Garland for prosecution the latter proected him.    So the question is who as h biggest liar of the two in House and Senate hearings and the new AG  is bound to take both  to court - the inimum entence for lying unde oath to Congress is 6 years in jail - that is why the recent photos of the two indicate two exteremely worried individuals,    Another criminal who lied to congress was Mayorkas - who when the same question was asked to him on four days  over 14 day eriod  gave four different asnwers and it turned out all four aswers were lies,

Wray and Mayorkas was summoned by Senaters and House members  to asnwer questios on the illegal migrant murderers in the USA  but decided not to tturn up for the meetings and that alone is also  criminal conduct.     The Democrats are terrified about what is happening and they now wants Biden to pardon them for 'non-disclosed crimes coveing the period 1 January 2014 until 1 Dcember 2024 - which he  had no right to pardons..   In the past pardons wer only granted to persons who were found guilt  and sent to jail and where the President found it necesary to  pardon pople in th past.    Biden is trying to potect hiself and  a large number of people who committed crime which will still be ivestifgated now after not being inveigated and acting on and will leave scores of criminals people in jail for many years to come.     Biden himself will not be charged because he does not know what he is doing and has ni known  for years - so the courts will nt find him guilty ince he does not know what he is doing.  It  s normal to feel pity  for him - but it is cruel to send a dementia sufferer to jail.

Theere are oher problms as well - who orderd the FBI to spy illegally on 278 000 people  as found by the FIS Court. and why did he FBI illegally take part in sencorship another illegality t he FBI was involved in.

So both Garland and Wray are in shit neck high and  have  mountains of legal problems  coming  up.   

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Actually I have spoken to several thinking Democrats who were disturbed by the way it was handled….the small majority who approved and who disappeared by election time,  were led to believe it was all necessary.

I’m also not sure why the head of the FBI now has to be a career lawyer, rather than somebody from the FBI ranks , possibly with legal training, but  who has excelled in intelligence work. I’d imagine finding that person would be a boost to the institution.

Actually I have spoken to several thinking Democrats

LOL so Democrats who agree with you are thinking Democrats.

.the small majority who approved and who disappeared by election time,  were led to believe it was all necessary.

Small majority?. The survey showed nearly twice as many people approved as disapproved. Only just over a quarter of people where opposed to the raids and the percentage of people surveyed that said they strongly opposed the raid was 18.7%

And its not like the people who supported the raid disappeared, its likely most of them did still vote democrat, its just a certain amount of them didn't think it was that important an issue.

A new report by researchers at Northwestern, Harvard, Rutgers, and Northeastern universities, shows that a slight majority of Americans (51%) approve of the search of Mar-a-Lago, but there is a partisan gap between those who support and oppose it.

From August 11 to September 13, 2022, the researchers conducted a national survey of 26,616 Americans, and most of those surveyed, or 81%, were aware that the raid had taken place. A large majority of Democrats (84%) supported or strongly supported the search, compared to 13% of Republicans. Among Republicans, 64% opposed or strongly opposed the search, versus 3% of Democrats.

Independents were nearly twice as likely to support the search as they were to oppose it. Close to a third, or 32%, of independents strongly supported the search, while almost another third (28%) neither supported nor opposed it.

Stav

For Heavens sake - the problem as to eh raid is just a minor part of he prblems that destroyed Wray.    What is mor important is what happened a a result of he raid,    Smith ws apponted to get Tump ut of the election.  Garland and Wray was invilved in all the "charg laid against Trump.    So he lay charges in a Florida Court.   The fir thig was the F BI took fake photos and gave it to the emdia,   The Photos was mot talem  in Trumps House. but by the FBI in one of their offices,   That did not make their case any stronger,   A s required Tumps lawyers approach the Courts and were told to retiurm sl the documents within 14 days - so the Judge gave Wray and Smith  ca lezr  warning    Return the documents within 14 days or you will be charged ondeminin g the ciurt,  f unrmining of  Court, So they took 32 boxes of documents and they returned  21 Boxes.   The Judge got mad at the set-up and  threw the case out of Court,   Snith  then applied to e Court to apeal a gainst he ruling of the Jadge,    Before the Court could rule on the A  ppeal tSmith withdew the  apeal application and now the apoaws charge vanishe from site.     So no CRIME was committed by Trump - while Smith and the FBI broke all law processes totally. - there ended t he document saga,   

Look at the  other isues as well and those in magnitude were the essense of law=brking by the FBI.so sorry tav you are abrking  u  n-existent tree,

1     Spying ilegally against  278 000 people

2    Sffort to sencor news that would embarrass the den Regime

3    Spying on Roman Catholice  yndermining the US  Constitution and on  Spuimng n Parents who atnd school board metings

4     The sabotaging of investigations of the Biden corruptiin. by the F BI - eg the lie that he Hunter Biden Laptop was Russian Dsinformation and tthe Bank reports to the FBI pointing out money laundering by the family.       

5     Th Mr-el-Lago raod - but mor eimpotanly the lie sprading about  Fake Photos they spread on he raid and scandalus conduct of the F BI in succeeding Court provcessed leading to collaps of the charged laid against Trump/ 

When the FBI undermines the US Constitution and laws fightig crime on false basis is unacceptable and  needs re-orgaanization  to restore law and order conduct within the organization..    As more F   DI problems evolve the people more and more demand action gaainst rogue orgnizations like the FBI became.

"What happened at Mar-a-Lago disturbed many Americans. It was heavy handed and unnecessary. In the end that one thing ensured he wasn’t going to stay on.

Well it disturbed most Trump supporters and Republicans but a survey conducted at the time found the majority of American's supported the raid on Mar-a-Lago."

Stav, you are far gone if it doesn't disturb you...there are ways of doing things and this was a totally unnecessary,  and over the top political statement by the lefties...the mere fact that you're not appalled by it is telling.

Educate yourself:

51% approved after the Mainstream media spent hours explaining to the never decided what they should think. And Trump winning the election despite massive underspending proves people soured on the negativity that drove incidents like Mar-a-Lago. This from The NY Times.

The Democrats, their allied super PACs and other groups raised about $2.9 billion, versus about $1.8 billion for the Republicans. As he did in 2016, Mr. Trump proved that money was not everything, and that a thriftier campaign could beat a bigger spender. 

 S tav

he deparin g Prsident has he power t declassify documents and he did iro all documents he took.   S o he took no classified documents and you were lied to baout it.   

What is mr bohersome - what was in the documents in the 21 boxes that was removed from the boxes the FBI returned to the FBI - but hat happened to the 11 boxes f documents the FBI did not eturn to th C ourt despit a court order that htye h ad to.   

It is likely that the FBI refied to return may be an effrt to hide BI corruption and dealing with the Biden corruption issue,   Was te info so bad they broke the law and undemine the court byrfusing t prvide the documents a instructed to do so.   Take fpr isntacne the fake phtotos the fbi sprad in the media to support the so-clled classified document lie.   

Obama took as much documents wih him when he left the WH and he justified it by claiming it  was to be part of the Obama Library.   Th library was neve built and is unlikely to bt built in future,.   So Obama took docmnt - no problem by the media - Trump took document ih him and it suddnly becme a crime with ie from te FBI adding to the Lord  Hw Haw propaganda.   

Better still Biden took docments he as VP could not be declaiied.  He hen provide classified docs to his biographer  for use in his book,   Rhe  Special Council appointed by Garland found that he commtted breaches of the law - but also fond that Biden ad no idea abourhat is going on n the orld.   So he oe not recomment egal charge becuse of advanced dementia. - since the court will not take te ce since the accused should be in an asylum for advanced  dementia sufferers.    That rpor cme ou in May 2024 and Garland tried to hide it from the public.   

In the case of Biden there were nor security guards in the time when he wa not VP anymore -but restored when Biden was at home in Delaware and ihs holiday home.   Seciruty Guarsds were  provided only when Biden went there for rest 3 days a week - the sane applies to his holiday home - but there were no guards at hthe Biden rmembrace branch of Penn Univesity Washigton funded by the Chinese Government where documents were kept in unlocked cabinets,    In the case of Trump there were security guards from the US Secret servoce 24 hours per  day,     Trump has  his own seciruty detail funded by him at Mar-el-Lago club.   There as another securiy isse as  well - the room where the documents were kept had s security doo with two locks,   ,The key to one lock was kept by the Securit  Service pesonnel and the key of  the other by Trump's secretay - so the chances of  documents takem fro,m te oom without  of both keyholders being present.   The propaganda about he docments were total BS and you fell for it.    ,       ,   .       .              .   

When a clearly batshit ex-POTUS takes confidential documents to his home it makes perfect sense for the authorities to intervene.

51% approved after the Mainstream media spent hours explaining to the never decided what they should think.

Ah yes, people who disagree with me are indoctrinated. People who share my views are intelligent free thinkers?

Ironic thing is once Trump supporters perceive their guy or their team to be under attack we get this mindless pre-programmed response   Oh its all the mainstream media's fault, or it's the deep state or it's the woke lefties in Hollywood or some other such bilge water.

And Trump winning the election despite massive underspending proves people soured on the negativity that drove incidents like Mar-a-Lago.

Economic perceptions

Ironic thing is once Trump supporters perceive their guy or their team to be under attack we get this mindless pre-programmed response  Oh its all the mainstream media's fault, or it's the deep state or it's the woke lefties in Hollywood or some other such bilge water.

Yep, it's their stock standard reply........I'll be in shock when it isn't.

Psstt...Draad.. over here...let me just whisper this in your ear. You know those classified documents that he held on to when he wasn't allowed too and was repeatedly asked to return, well...HE COULD OF JUST RETURNED THE F**KING DOCUMENTS!

LMA O

"Psstt...Draad.. over here...let me just whisper this in your ear. You know those classified documents that he held on to when he wasn't allowed too and was repeatedly asked to return, well...HE COULD OF JUST RETURNED THE F**KING DOCUMENTS!"

I have no problem with them taking the so called classified documents back...I've got an issue with they way it was done...they raided his home with guns, authorized to use sharp munitions.  They even went through his wife's closet...then they leaked fraudulent photos of classified documents to the media...this wasn't some random crook. This was an ex president of the USA...far gone indeed...wood...trees...BS

"The vitriol on this string is so 2016.. "

I mentioned it here before, the brainwashing campaign was one of the most successful I have ever seen. There was nothing organic about it. It was massive, coordinated and extremely successful.

EG There are still, to this day, people on this thread who believe Trump told people to drink bleach. And they'll stand by that assessment...contrary to all logic and even basic adult thinking.  

So that badly aged vitriol will continue to spew forth from the weak-minded until the end of time.

Their peanuts were irreversibly damaged by it all.

"And Trump winning the election despite massive underspending proves people soured on the negativity that drove incidents like Mar-a-Lago. This from The NY Times"

This is my belief as well

"The voters by contrast see both sides and have decided on balance Trump is best for them. And there is no denying the achievement in turning around his political fate."

Yep, and even if they didn't exactly have the best option against Trump, the very fact that the majority voted for him says so much about what the general American public had to consider before voting, and the constant, excessive targeting of Trump, in any way possible, definitely added to this.

Here's a prime example.

Of course the media is biased...but what kind of retard watches the below and goes..."Yeah, that makes sense."

So the Media wasn’t all in against Trump and Russian collusion wasn’t leapt on by the Media and was corrected after no conclusive evidence was found. It was all a level playing field.  Got it.

Time to move on? 

Oh wow that's hilarious....says who? if they can find a hole big enough to bury his mountain of disgusting lies......J6 and his instigation thereof.....his notorious dummy spit when hounding officials to reverse an election he'd clearly lost but then also turning  60 courts upside down to reverse his loss. Sitting in the WH watching J6 unfold and being begged by his family to call off the deplorables.

Time to move on huh....is that just because he's won!?

I have no problem with them taking the so called classified documents back

So called?...there is nothing so called about the classified documents, they were 100% classified documents that Trump should not have kept.

...I've got an issue with they way it was done...they raided his home with guns, authorized to use sharp munitions.  

The conducted the raid following absolutely bog standard protocol, a raid that could of been completely avoided had he returned all the documents. And its not like they didn't give him time, they had been trying to get the documents back for 18 months. But not only did he not return the documents, he obstructed attempts to get the documents returned.

They even went through his wife's closet

Which they where legally entitled to do. Imagine a raid on a drug dealers house and moaning about the police going through the drug dealers wife closet.

...then they leaked fraudulent photos of classified documents to the media

They did what now. There was no leak, they publicly published photo's of the classified documents , nothing fraudulent about them. If your referring to the fact that the documents where staged for the photo's that where published, again standard process. When evidence is found, photo's are taken of where the evidence is found, if there is more  then one piece of evidence, then its spread out and photo's are taken so all of the individual evidence grouped together for tracking purposes. These were the photo's released to the public.

...this wasn't some random crook. This was an ex president of the USA

Indeed, never been a President like him.

...far gone indeed...wood...trees...BS

You have just unquestionable parroted false right wing talking points, all of which can be debunked very quickly by a few minutes fact checking. But of course you want to believe it so why would you fact check it. Yet apparently its the other side that's too far gone.

I mentioned it here before, the brainwashing campaign was one of the most successful I have ever seen. There was nothing organic about it. It was massive, coordinated and extremely successful.

Well we can go round in circles each side accusing the other of been brainwashed. The left by the mainstream media, the right by the alt media online.

EG There are still, to this day, people on this thread who believe Trump told people to drink bleach. And they'll stand by that assessment...contrary to all logic and even basic adult thinking.

Lets take this as an example.  So its correct to say Trump did not tell people to drink bleach, but he did ask if it were possible to treat a COVID patient by injecting disinfectant. To be clear he didn't suggest anyone inject bleach either but he did ask if injecting disinfectant was a possible treatment.

How no matter how you swing it, what Trump said was monumentally stupid for reason's that should be obvious to a young child never mind the President of the United States and by extension immensely embarrassing for Trump supporters. If the shoe was on the other foot and it was a democratic President who asked that question, the right wingers would have just if not more mocking of a democratic President for what he said and Plum don't even try to deny for a second that you wouldn't be ripping the ever living p*ss out of them had they done it.

Trump supporters needed a way of distracting people, so they could stop feeling humiliated. So they try to keep the focus at all times on people incorrectly attributing Trump with saying he suggested drinking or inject bleach. They keep rabbiting on non stop about, like it was the bigger issue.

Now they do have something of a point. Biden for example made the claimed that Trump suggested people drink bleach and its perfectly fine to call out Biden for exaggeration. Accuracy and honesty is important. The question Trump asked made him look immensely stupid, it was both laughable and dangerous but it didn't need to be exaggerated. 

Lets take this as an example.  So its correct to say Trump did not tell people to drink bleach, but he did ask if it were possible to treat a COVID patient by injecting disinfectant.

Correct

No-one on here has said Trump said to drink bleach, that is just a pathological lie from Buttplug. The video if it's still available shows Trump as you say talking about injecting bleach.

Just typical TrumpZombie bullshit.

Stav

So called?...there is nothing so called about the classified documents, they where 100% classified documents that Trump should not have kept.

A  lie as poven before.  There were no documets t he archves wanted to have  Thy inspected that documents and suggestd trump returned 16 boxes of documents they wanted and  Trump sent the boxes back to them.   THe FBI knew about it and kne tha Trump has declassify all documents and here were co classified doccuents involved.

The conducted the raid following absolutely bog standard protocol, a raid that could of been completely avoided had he returned all the documents. And its not like they didn't give him time, they had been trying to get the documents back for 18 months. But not only did he not return the documents, he obstructed attempts to get the documents returned.

Another lie    Standrad protco was not followed  at all.   S tandrad proocol was followed in the case of Biden search.   He was nofied in advance of the FBI search and his lawyer was present at teh search -  the rooms of Biden house wa ageed upon.

The FBI had t bring in saff from Richmond to do the Mar-el-Lago search because their Florida staff wold not artici[te in an illegal search.  They also the date when they knew none of the Trump family being at home.  So when his attorney was informed of te raid she rushed to Mar-el-Lago where the  F NBI would not llow her to monitor the raid as is standard protection in such cases,   Then they took 32 boxes of documents with them.   When chrges was laid the Judge ruled that the documnts shoud be retured to he court for inspection by Trump's lawyers = also stadard procedure ad then the undermining of the co urt started when they returned 21 boxes of documents and i was found that the BI produced nd circukated in the media fake photos about what they found at Mar-el-Lago.   End resutl he Court case unravelled and was hrown out  by the Judge.    Whn Smith applied to the Court he promised tht all doc=uments would be returned - but he wihdrew his appeal.

There was NOT a single standar procedure rule that was followed by t he FBI and that ended up in the case against  Trump falling flat.

 Which they where legally entitled to do. Imagine a raid on a drug dealers house and moaning about the police going through the drug dealers wife closet.   

Concoted BS comaring a drug raid to a raid of the home of an ex-President of he USA.   Hell that is real stupidity to come up with BS like that,    Are your brain malfnctionig coming  up with shit like that.

You have just unquestionable parroted false right wing talking points, all of which can be debunked very quickly by a few minutes fact checking. But of course you want to believe it so why would you fact check it. Yet apparently its the other side that's too far gone.

What fact checking are you taslking about.   If there were facts whatsoever it would have let to a sccessful cort case against Trump.   That did not ahppen and he caaiign ag ainst  Trump collapsed.    Tel us plese what facts you checed and where - it would be hilarious,

By the way I am still delighed that Garland and Wray is wel on their way going  to jail for various crimes - mainly because they lied nder oath in Senate nd House  hearings,

Aide rom that yur sources are going down raidly and CNN and MSNBC is mving into the bankruptsy way and the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times decided that they do not want to keep on destroying their good name by repetitive lying  and moved back to be newspapers and not propaganda liars.   So your fact-checking souces are going doiwn fast.

Anyone for a drop of bleach? 

Shaken or stirred?

Delivery available from Jan 2025

Be better than reading any of Mike's posts.

Don't know I've never read his posts 

Believe me I once tried, nothing is more anal.

Blaas my siel - shitspreading and lies are alive and well on this site.    Reaing it mkes one wondr whether  Stav and  Denny have fnctioning brains.     

By the way - do some real research - Biden promised to sell 8 nucler driven submarines to Australia.    Since that promise was made more than 3 years ago has any such submarines ever been delivered,?   Do some fact check on what happened to the nuclear sub building program under Biden?    Maybe you wold find out something real for a change.

it is easy for Stav - he believe that facs do not count and crinminal conduct and lies are 100% believable.   So he keeps n believing the Russian Hoax was not a hoax based on lies and wss really true/    it is really unbelievable that people can be that far gone in the world.    I always believe people believing in idralogues are always sticking to their beliefs bec ause they cnnt think for them selves.